Ep 010 What your body is telling you during Covid19 and how to help


In this episode, we talk to Dr. Julie Nelson a registered Accupuncturist and Doctor of Chinese Traditional Medicine about the way the body copes with the stress induced by the sudden onset of Covid19 and how we can relieve it. Please help with a like and a follow as it really helps me reach my goal of impacting 1000 business owners in their business.Dr. Julie Nelson Doctor Chinese Medicine R. Ac. R.TCMPjulienelsonvcr@gmail.comjulienelsontcm.comQiintegratedhealth.com#julienelsontcmIf you would like to find out how to find your tribe of raving fans visit us at www.threesixtyphoto.com/marketing





Justin Lam 0:05 You want to find your tribe of raving fans. I'm gonna help you do it. This is the digging deep podcast with Three Sixty Media where we help you do better business. Hey everybody, this is Justin Lam and you're watching Episode 10. We made it to 10 double digits. folks here are digging deeper. We help business owners do better business. Today I have a wonderful lady who is part of our BNI chapter. Dr. Julie Nelson, naturopathic physician at ci integrated health. Julie, how are you today? Julie Nelson 0:39 Great. I just need to I just need to correct you. I'm actually a doctor of Chinese medicine. So acupuncture. Yes, I was mixed up with a natural cause all the time. But acupuncture is a separate discipline from natural. Justin Lam 0:52 Oh, that's a good distinction. And we're right off the bat in terms of learning something new. So thank you for that. What's going on in your world like Like, how has this really affected your business? Julie Nelson 1:04 Oh, huge. So three weeks ago, I had a full practice five days a week, patient load, not quite a waitlist but like decent right doors were open the clinics humming. It's great. And then Monday, two weeks ago, our doors shot. And what was interesting is prior to that the our owner came shooter drones, Qi integrated health had said, Hey, we're looking at going into a telemedicine model. What do you think I'm like, No, I'm hands on. I'm a face to face gal, I, I need to have the patient in front of me. I want to see what's going on. This is how I work. So that was basically two weeks ago that all ended. And so for me what's been interesting is it's sort of like the first wave of the tsunami had to hit and I also got sick. So I spent a week in bed where I was just like, probably had COVID I hope I did. Got out of the way. And then as I was getting out of it, I was sort of going like it's like coming up after there's been a landslide. You're kind of going like whoa, Nothing is the same, like how do I, what do I do? Like, what can I do? That was really what I was trying to figure out is what can I do? What what's, how can I help people because my love is getting up in the morning going to my job. I frickin love what I do. And so to have that taken away, it was sort of like, Are you kidding me? I just got going like, everything was just so in the groove. I was in the sweet spot of life. And then it ended. And I had kids that were abroad. I had a son in London, who was saying he was going to Hong Kong with the storm there and I want to get on a plane and get home. Right, so I'm fighting with a 20 year old to get him on a plane. I've got a daughter at McGill who should have been on a plane but instead chose to go party and got sick, got strep throat. So I now don't have a business. I've got kids and I'm trying to get home one that's super sick and I can't go to her because I'm afraid that I have COVID and so it just felt like my world was upside down and I had no control over anything that was happening. Like none. Justin Lam 2:57 And isn't it interesting though? I mean There's such a metaphor to that. And I feel that a lot of people always feel like, you know, when things are going good all of a sudden life throws a wrench at them. And this is such a normal occurrence. Julie Nelson 3:16 Yeah, I would say wrenches putting it mildly. I took an accident a bit and went No, no more. Justin Lam 3:25 Right. But that's the thing. It's, it's because like, we as creatures by nature, like to get everything ducks in order and everything has got to be super good and running and I'll be really happy. But we know life doesn't work that way. Julie Nelson 3:40 Well, okay, so Justin, I do a gratitude list every frickin night before I go to bed. I wasn't taking any of this shit for granted. I was like, I am grateful for the sun. I am grateful for my job. I'm grateful for my parents. Like I was not spewing any negativity at all. And in my world. I was like, this is the best life ever. I love my boyfriend. This is so awesome. Then what happened? What happened there? And I think I was being, I think, I think for the first time in my life, something that was happening on a global level actually affected me because I've read the paper tsunamis, volcanoes, landslides in the Philippines, you know, horrible tropical storms. And I always managed to just go right and now for the very, very first time in my life, it's like, okay, you are now part of the global pandemic, you're not going to escape this one, you're not going to kind of check. You're not going to right this is now on your doorstep and you like everybody else like this, to me is flatten the curve for everybody. Everybody's going to have economic hardship, right? Well, except for maybe Mark Huggins, but whatever else is gonna show it to Mark. And also better courier service like I do love people are doing well and we talked about that yesterday. I love that people are actually doing really well. I don't want to do badly. I don't I want everyone to do well. But most of us are going to get whacked or whacked hard, right? And and, and so now I feel like for the first time I'm like, Oh shit, I'm in with everybody else. Like, we're all we're all going to hell in some capacity, right? And so that part for me has been like a that's been a period of adjustment lesson like, okay, and I and I don't want people to go down hard like I want people to still be okay. And I'm saying like, I don't want people to lose their houses, I don't want marriages to break up. I don't want kids to be hurt because their parents can't cope. Like I'm saying like, I don't want bad things I want my friends you'll just stay in their houses and not lose them. I don't want people's businesses to wander, I want my coffee shop or the donut place or whatever it is. I don't want to lose what I had. Right? God Justin Lam 5:49 Yeah, absolutely. It's a it's super important, I think. I mean, the context of which that sits in is We know that a great majority of the people that we enjoyed or the service that we enjoyed, are going to fall by the wayside. It's weeding out a lot of people and squashing a lot of dreams. And, you know, a lot of hopes that people have for their own livelihood. But that I think leads me to this question. Yeah, is because of all the stress, and no real outlets, because I mean, we are our own outlets, and we're doing it remotely. But people are internalizing that and so how does that affect the body? Julie Nelson 6:38 Oh, great. Okay. So if you were stressed out before God help you now, right? Because you already that was already affecting your body. So I think what has happened or what happens for people is you go into sympathetic, you go into flight mode, right? When you're in sympathetic nervous system, you're in flight mode. So your normal body functions and we call it rest and digest, right? salivation like formation like digestion, urination, all those types of things, they kind of everything slows right down and stops if you're in immediate flight, right? Because you know, airways dilate your eyes, everything just sort of opens up to power you through. And I think tends to happen is well, what is happening is we're going to get stuck in the sympathetic nervous system, which means those normal body functions probably will do some work at night if people can sleep, but the repair, the maintenance, the rebuilding, all that stuff we do to maintain our bodies that kind of shuts down, right? And you can go that way for a certain period of time. But if you've got people in the population that already were operating in that sphere, they've now amped it up. So what you're going to start to see is more gut issues right more upset stomachs more right below the zyphoid process right where your ribs are, people are going to feel a lot of pain there. That's where you kind of store a lot of your anxiety. So expect your digestion to be affected and Then your your bowel movements follow that as well and people are really stressed out. So I'm gonna go a bit graphic here is in the doctor Chinese medicine, people are really stressed out will alternate between constipation diarrhea, right, the body can't digest it and then it just like expels it really quickly. So you'll see that you'll see sleep for sure impacted right either you can't fall asleep, you can't get into a deep sleep, or you're waking up at four in the morning, your mind is just going it's just going as it's going as it's going. For women, unfortunately, they will probably experience really tough periods, they'll probably have bad PMS, because we know that liver regulates the flow of qi in the body. It nourishes the blood that goes to the uterus. And so when women are under a lot of stress or they've got really stressful assignments, they will have a really bad period that next cycle. So expect to have some bad periods if you're holding on to a lot of stress, right? If you are the type of person who shallow breeze and you're an anxious person already this you're not going to get to calm during this period, right like you're going to it's going to take a lot to get you to calm because you're in flight mode. Going, am I gonna be okay, what's it gonna look like? What's and I think the problem with the COVID thing is, it's rolled up gradually. Right? And so the ball keeps dropping, and I think a lot of us want to know, are we there? Or Justin Lam 9:12 is there a point is there right? And I think that's a lot of, especially for business owners because we don't have a certainty of, we're going to get back to work like I have two more months and we get to go back to normal and when you don't have that financial runway to support that or you don't have you know, you're looking that revenue just kind of flattened out the door. You know, it's, it's immensely terrifying for a business owner and so Julie Nelson 9:44 it's so and and headaches migraine, so people that are really stressed out tend to clench their jaw, they tend to grind their teeth. So if you're wearing a mouth guard already, chances are you are that person. So you may notice you get a lot more headaches like temporal headaches. If that's that, thudding that pounding that's a stress headache. What we also see is migraines. Right? people that suffer from migraines typically have really tight neck and shoulders. And so once you impede that flow of blood, it tends to go up the back of the occiput into into the corner of your eye. those tend to be what we call stress type migraines as opposed to the migraines that happen for a long period. So people that are used to having massages going for chiropractic or acupuncture, they can't get those services in that physical form. So people that normally have really good coping mechanisms built into their, their day to day self care regime, that time has been turned off now, which is really hard because a lot of people do know that they need those services, they do know that that's that keeps them grounded, it keeps some kind of like from getting sick or you know, and so we've kind of taken out that modality which is so important for a good chunk of the population. Justin Lam 10:52 Yeah, and so no, go back to that. I mean, I have a degree in Kinesiology and at one point I'd help treat patients with with rehabilitation from car accidents, or workplace injuries. But one of the things that I kind of wanted to talk about in terms of the stress that we're talking about here is, you know, when a person is under that much stress, and we talked about the restriction of blood flow in the neck. In a more abstract term for those people who don't understand that there's also an evolvement of ci and that sort of energy and when it stagnates, you know, things start to back up. And so, you know, do you have a tip or something that, you know, maybe a small like routine person can do in the morning to or in the evening to kind of get all that negative energy or to try to at least mitigate or to reduce the amount of stress that's being held in the body. So here's, here's the number one thing to move in the body. And that's such a great question. You need to move you need to physically move right and so if you're Sitting, sitting, sitting and watching CNN news, you got the television on around the clock, turn it off, right? Do your five minutes a day and then turn off because you're feeding your psyche and so put only good things in your psyche right now avoid Ozark avoid anything. Right? So you don't want to watch contagion. Julie Nelson 12:17 No, exactly, no. So here's okay. So I'll tell you how I do it because I am a very anxious person. I grew up in a really traumatic environment. And so it's made me pretty wound up. So what I do is I start every morning at seven o'clock in the morning on the beach with my dog, right and I've got a walking partner, we maintain our distance. But I know when I go to the water, it resets my biggest nerve. I know when I look at the ocean, I calm right down. Now I'm not advocating everybody run to the ocean. What I'm saying is, is nature nature is a very good reset. So walking in nature, especially because our woods are still open right? Thank God Bonnie, Henry's not close those woods yet so we know we can get into a specific spirit Park. Everyone's exercising good social distance. And then every day so either I start my morning on the beach walking my dog, because I know looking at the ocean calms me down. I also know, a fast walk in the woods about 4k walk is like taking Prozac because wood is a liver element, right? And so that moves my energy. So by about the 25 minute mark, I feel totally calm. So don't set right now get outside and get into nature. Practice social distancing. We don't want to impose the words, but I know that is keeping me grounded. I know I also have a yoga practice. And so yoga moves energy through the body because it's breath, work and movement. It is such a wonderful, wonderful thing to do. And there's a lot of yoga instructors out there right now. Lisa Dumars is one of them. They're actually offering live classes and I like the live classes because you feel connected to other people and you're not doing something can and they can cluster great on her own. Nicole is doing like AB workouts at nine in the morning. Right and so I think wherever you can get movement and community, go for it because people also regulate us having friends and talking even though we're, you know, we're zooming or whatever, people help regulate you as well. Right? And so that's why the online communities are so important right now. What I wouldn't do right now and I know a lot of people are going to be evergreen here is no not your devices. drink alcohol, right? Avoid I know look at the look on your face. Because that ramps you up again, right, it puts a lot of heat into your body. So be careful with the alcohol because that can basically put a match on a brush fire and make everything worse. So get outside lemon water first in the morning Sue's deliver avoid alcohol and meditate I'm really gonna have Justin Lam 14:44 can have lemon and like and water mixed when with my alcohol. test to least cancel it out. Julie Nelson 14:56 Lavender, lavender diffuser, lavender basil, Night free go to bed. Justin Lam 15:01 Lavender my gin Julie Nelson 15:04 No I want to see what that ab class tomorrow morning I know you said you want to keep your six pack abs in the fridge not an option here buddy. You're in it for that's lavender so you and calming music right? So you really want to build. If you can't control the external you want to control the internal, right and so the dialogue, your movements, your thought process, nip it in the bud if it feels like it's going dark. Okay, what are three things I'm grateful right now like you need to really start to reprogram your mind to kind of get our head wrapped around and I know we talked about this, we go on to the end of June. I'm like, oh my god. Oh my god. Right. So, so I was like, okay, so absorb it and then stay in the present. Justin Lam 15:47 Yeah, I like how you alluded to going into nature. When I was when I was practicing, as a therapist. I had a few clients who had really pent up qi and energy, so much so that at times their, their energy was toxic. Like I could feel that bitterness in my mouth when they were around. And one of the things that I did discover what I was doing that type of therapy and working with people was, you know, how trees and wood by nature really helps grounded individual and I did find that when I sent them out to, you know, the park, you know, took off their shoes, most of the time would be summertime, if that was the case, I'd take the shoes off, sit underneath the tree, and let that energies kind of flow out. And, you know, more often than not, I mean, like with really great success, I would find that people would calm right down. They weren't as toxic coming back in and I mean, that would only be 15-20 minutes, where they would sit and do that prior to session conducting and that really does help in terms of moving that blood flow and making them in you know, in a good environment. Now, also Like, how you say that, you know, consume whatever you need to consume, you know, in terms of the news or whatever, early on. And I totally agree with that during this whole that I mean, I, I really don't pay attention to a lot of it. I'm nose to the grindstone just doing what I do every single day. And I let my wife be the litmus, you know, test to what's going on with that because she likes to consume it. But it is interesting because I sleep like a rock. And she the other night because she had just kind of browse through a little bit of social media before going to sleep. She couldn't sleep. Yeah, like, it's just so much tension and stress and anxiety about it. And I think that, you know, that sort of energy that that you get, you know, in your, your mental capacity really does manifest in in the body. And now I know you do something along the lines of energy healing or like you maybe explain a little bit about what that is. Julie Nelson 17:59 Yeah. So how I got into acupuncture was actually initially through healing touch. So basically good form of Reiki, like where you kind of moving your hand and full disclosure, I have a business background. So this is very woowoo for me like it was something I kind of stumbled across really randomly. Oh my god is this, what really cool. So I don't come from that background, so I'm not a banyan book. So what I'm saying is, I'm a pretty logical business kind of gal, but discovered this and thought, Oh, this is actually really cool. Like, I can wear my hammer kind of like kind of light up, I'd be like, what's going on? Oh, I had knee replacement, or, oh, I had surgery. So what I do so long story short, I got into acupuncture because I was a healing touch practitioner through my church. And they said, you should look at acupuncture because it follows acupuncture is like an electrical grid for the body. It's a very organized system of channels and pathways and all relates to organs. And so I became a doctor Chinese medicine. And as I was practicing, when I was learning my finger down a patient's leg one time, I'm like, oh, there's electrical current going down there. What is that? So when a patient is lying on the table, and I've got a heating pad underneath them, I can conduct energy with my fingers. Those are done or why can you explain it. So what I became really conscious of is, is, so if there was blockages or there was no energy that I would put needles in and use my hands to bring the energy through there, again, very woowoo. I apologize if this isn't making sense to you. So but what I found is, especially with people who'd had trauma, or who were really anxious or anxiety prone to panic attacks, what would happen is I would put the acupuncture needles in, and then I would do a complete healing touch session on them for 25 minutes. And they would come off that table, so calm and so grounded, it was like a complete reset for them. And so I'm kind of going back now doing a lot of research and studying the vagus nerve and somatic energy, like all that kind of stuff, like how, why does this work? Because I know all the tapping stuff is all using acupuncture points. So what we call it sort of started a conversation with What's your life look like now? So the clinic closed, right? And now I'm going okay, shoot, I have a gift here. What can I do with it? Can I do this remotely? Is it possible to do healing touch on people if they're not physically in my presence and the practitioners that I work with this lovely ladies from the church have been doing this for a long time they do remote healing, I'm going okay, should I try this? Try this. Like, I don't know if this works like I don't know I'd so I had people volunteer come forward. And so basically, we would have this conversation like like you and I are having right now I would say okay, what's going on your body, you're sleeping, the night sweats, headaches, whatever. And then I so in advance of those sessions, I send them out a package of acupuncture press talks, which you'll be able to see with the podcast, and really it's a really tiny, tiny, tiny little needles like 1.5 mil. Justin Lam 20:50 Yeah. And so for people who are watching and or listening to this as a podcast, now they are their acupressure tacks and as she's described it They're really tiny, you stick them on acupressure points along meridian and likely, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going to guess that as you visually see them through the camera, you're guiding them on where those pressure points go. And you're gonna rub those up and down on on your body and kind of give them a rub and that's gonna stimulate an area. Julie Nelson 21:26 So they're and they're all held into by an adhesive looks like a little band aid. And so what we do is I guide you step by step, okay, we're gonna put a point here, we're gonna put one here. So by the time you're done, you might have about eight or 10 on you. And then what I do is I have people lie down, right? So I want them to lie down in a quiet room, where nobody's going to drop them have kids run through or dogs barking or their phone going off and so for the next 25 minutes because I have a table set up in my place, I basically put my my laptop on the treatment table, so the person is lying down there live and I am closing my eyes and I am Focusing really intently on them. And, and so far it has worked like so far I can feel energy I can say, okay, there's happiness here. But a lot of times a lot of heaviness in people's heads because you're just in your head, the most abundant she in blood, right? So we just work the whole body and I'll say Hey, your hips really tight or Hey, there's the goal here. And so the net outcome is and I can't guarantee anything, right? It's patient by patient case by case. But the patients that I've worked with at a total of four or five so far, have all said, Wow, that was amazing. I feel so much calmer. I'm now sleeping. I had one gal do it for her teenage daughter because the daughter was just sideways, right? she'd had too many things happen that her world assistant looked like this and like everyone else, It now looks like this. And so the people that I've treated have all had really great results. And again, I cannot guarantee that 100% because it is a person by person case by case. If you lie on that table and you go this is absolute cockermany Whowoo, it's probably not gonna work out, right? So don't call me. If you don't believe in this. Please don't call me because I can't if you're already blocked, I can't move. I need people to kind of go, Hey, okay, well, let's see what happens. Be curious. And it may be amazing for you. It may not. I'm not charging a lot of money right now. It's like I'm really not I can kind of go like I just, I just want people to get people to calm, right? That's my gift in Covid is I want people to get to calm to feel like they can get up and they can go on and they can whatever's going to happen next, they've got the capacity and the emotional ability to deal with it. And I think that's the best we can hope for right now. Justin Lam 23:39 Hmm, amazing. And so with all that being said, I mean, where do you see the future for you know, people in the space that you're in right now? You know, how, how are you guys going to a survive this this entire fiasco? If it does go on beyond June, and how are you going to be able to impact others in a way that, you know? move the needle for for a person. Julie Nelson 24:13 So what so what I'm so basically what I did is I sort of got up and thought, Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to practice in whatever capacity I can, I'm going to practice and I'm fortunate that I get to do telemedicine. I'm also really fortunate that a lot of the insurance companies are now stepping forward saying, Hey, we're gonna we're going to cover telemedicine. So Pacific Blue Cross sunlight Manulife, so people that would go I have no money, hey, we can put it through your insurance great. If you have no money, then contact me We'll do a sliding scale or something. But so what will happen beyond I think it's a question of cashflow. And the challenge that I've done, which is really stupid in some regards, is if I'm working, I can't claim Ei, right? So I've already negated the $2,000 a month supplement that I would normally get going okay, I'm putting my I'm putting my hands in the faith basket here going, Okay, trust that it's gonna be okay. Because right now, you know, and I do, I'm fortunate that I do have savings. I'm super fortunate that way. So I can afford to let this one run on. I think the danger is I really hope my clinic stays open. Because when we do open, it tends to be a slow time of year like July is pretty slow for our services, people feel so good. So there's so much uncertainty, but I think all I have is I get up every day, I contact my patients. And I say, Hey, I'm now offering this if you want to book in booking with me, and so I just I'm just I get up and I do the next thing in front of me and hope that we're going to come through this and I know I'm going to come through this my practice might not look like it used to. But the coolest thing in this Justin is I now have an opportunity to treat more patients than I ever could have treated before because it's virtual and I'm saying and so people like in Prince Rupert or Smithers and I don't know where they get ahold of me and they go hey, I want to try that. I am game I will mail them out the tacks For three or four days, and I will meet with them and talk with them and see if I can help them. And so now my goal is just to show up and I said to the universe as we chat, your traffic really, I said, yesterday, I go, Okay, I am ready to serve. So you bring me who you need me to bring, and I will treat them. So just bring it I am ready. I want to do this. And so whoever needs to find me and I know that to be my truth, whoever needs me, usually can find me. And I don't know how that works, but it just does. Right. And it never ceases to amaze me that people that walk through my door went, Oh, that's so cool. I don't know how you found me. But I am so happy to meet you. Because I think this is and they it's never the same twice, like right and that's what I love. My job is like, I get to hear people's stories. I'm just fascinated by human resilience. Right? I'm fascinated by how low people can go and how quickly we can bring them out of that, you know, the body's ability to heal itself. Like that is a phenomenal machine and so that's what gets me As I get to get up every morning, and hold the space for people to come in as best I can work with them to help them heal. And I think that is sacred work. I love what I do. Justin Lam 27:11 Cool, amazing. Before we kind of wrap this up, I generally like to ask all of my guests, what is the favorite resource that you have now it doesn't have to be related to your business. It could be a book, a podcast, whatever it is that you would, that you found useful in your journey, as a as a business person, or as a as an individual that you could share with the audience. Julie Nelson 27:36 Okay, so my I think my favorite resource right now is I belong to be an AI which is a business networking group. And the reason I love this group is because every week it forces me to think about my practice as a business, which is kind of unusual. But what really it's not even about my business. What What I love about DNI are the people that show up every week. They inspire They inspire me with where they started to where they are now they inspire me with, with what we're going through with this whole COVID thing, like how they're supporting each other. And so for me, it's that group of people and their shared experience, whether it's good or bad, that that keeps me going. And that keeps me excited. And every time we finish a meeting, because now we're online, I am on the moon going, this is so cool if they can do that, and I think I can do this and I've never done a podcast before and here I am chatting with, right and so the support and the fellowship that we have, and the generosity of spirit givers you know, givers game, I love that because I feel like I don't know that I would have got to where I am in two weeks like to have the clinic closed and now I'm suddenly I've got patients booked and I'm offering online healing. I think the and I just sort of kept me focused. And so I think if you're not part of a network, you need a network now, right? You need a network. And so I think this is what I think I think I could have got through this. I think I'm gonna thrive through this and sort of how I feel about this whole thing. Justin Lam 29:06 Amazing. Well thank you for sharing that for those of you guys who enjoyed Julie here on the podcast, Julie Where could they find a little bit more information about you? Julie Nelson 29:17 Okay, so there's a you can I am everywhere so you can find me You can go to my website which is Julie NelsonTCM.com you can go to the qi integrated health : qiintegratedhealth.com if you want to book online and you've got insurance you want to set up an appointment. Great. How else can you find me you can shoot me an email I love talking to people.My email is JulieNelsonVCR@gmail.com shoot me an email if you've got more questions or you want to share your experience or I don't know. I'm openYou have to be positive you can't don't bring me your dirt balls. I want love only right now. I just love it. Justin Lam 30:09 Amazing. Well thank you so much for being here on the podcast today. If anybody here enjoyed found this useful, please consider Subscribing or liking and following us here on Spotify or on our YouTube channel, that would be greatly appreciated. Julie, thank you again, so much for joining me here today. I think some people will definitely find some use and some value in how they can help manage and cope physiologically from from what's going on today. Transcribed by https://otter.ai

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